Zero Preferences on Jung Personality Test

Jungian Type Question.  I have tested over 75 people in both young singles groups and premarital counseling and I have never had a person score EI=0, SN=0, TF=0 and J = 20.  How do you counsel a young man with three of four traits = 0.  This 23yr old young man seems unable to pick a life path and without trait preferences, I am struggling to provide him the proper encouragement.  Carl Jung said this was a primitive personality but I didn’t find a any suggestion on of how would help a person in this situation.  He says he has many dreams, but we haven’t had time to discuss them. Any suggestions. 

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Comment by Ernie L. Vecchio on July 17, 2012 at 7:21am

Thank you Tom for your kind words. Your question about egoic distraction is layered. What I meant is that there is a 'built in' angst of being human that's has the single and essential function of provoking the ego into action. The alternatives are (two) moral versus ethical action. As you know, the culture is caught up in the moral perspective. The provocation I speak of is born out of a brokenness that is inherent in feeling separate from our divine gift - love. Said differently, we are by design born into a world of ego. First, the personal ego of family and then collective ego of culture. The separation is reinforced as we 'get busy' surviving our lives. Asleep, the egoic distractions are chosen and based upon a 'right or wrong' perspective versus a 'true' direction. This is perfectly okay, if the young man we are speaking of realizes that one is masturbation until he activates his compass (heart). Awakening is a process. Moving through dead ends, circles, even wrong choices, prepare us for our true direction---if we are suffering with ourselves (humility teaches self-love AS compassion). These experiences become initiations versus a pass-fail test. Suffering 'for' ourselves as victim we are experiencing what I would call 'useless suffering' and staying stuck or not growing. Useful suffering is ethical suffering. Unfortunately, we are not taught HOW to do this. Instead, we are taught to avoid if this is actually possible. This distortion is the source of so much confusion in the world. The epidemic born out of useless suffering is narcissism-the typical compensation for shame.  All that said, it does not matter what direction he goes at this juncture if he uses these choices to further awaken to true possibilities. Remember, luck is best defined as 'preparation meeting up with opportunity.' If one is preparing (awake) the door of opportunity (luck) will present itself. If not, the door never appears. What we are describing here is the difference between depth and maturity. One is learning and growing from experience, the other is creating the experiences so that growth positively happens. You can see that 'age' per se has nothing to so with maturity. Many people never grow from their experiences. Depth comes out of suffering with oneself (and circumstances) UNTIL growth happens. I hope that makes sense. Depth without discernment we call 'old souls'...for many...such depth is painful because internally we are older than our years. One has to 'catch up' with the gift of the same way that one has to catch up with their IQ (cognitive potential). It cannot be a passive process.

Much warmth my friend

Comment by Tom Weber on July 12, 2012 at 7:10pm
Your discussion is both helpful and eloquent.  I have done more research since I first posted and consequently your response helped me to resonate with what I have learned.  (synchronicity?)  There are times when I read and read in hopes an epiphanic moment and .....Now I've had one. 

The young man (KC) is actually a distant family member:  my son's stepfather's step son and in this case I am only volunteering as a mentor. Unfortunately he moved to Nebraska in january to be closer to his fiancé and is now working in a small town Boy's Home.  His fiancé is attending school remotely in Omaha. He dropped out of school because of the requirement to begin paying back his govt. loans. 

I will query him about his dreams and try to get his time to go over the meaning of his test results and then see how that proceeds. 

Your discussion about suppressing his inner counselor as well as his desire not to be accountable by achieving really rang home. 

You also suggested maybe starting with an egoic distraction. Can you think of an example and how it may play out?

Thanks again for your thoughtful response.
Comment by David O'Rose on July 9, 2012 at 3:36pm
Dreams are the path and there is plenty of time.
Comment by Ernie L. Vecchio on July 9, 2012 at 5:22am


Laugh....I just noticed this was a March question. Guess ..I've revealed I am new to the site. Oh well....worthwhile intent....

Comment by Ernie L. Vecchio on July 9, 2012 at 5:20am


In my experience with trauma, losing one's spinal cord or legs strips away the traits you are attempting to measure. This is because they are archaic measures of ego and habits. One's true life path and the intent of the soul are minimally found in the personality. Profoundly, the 'stripping' away of ego exposes the human spark. This is the source of your client's angst. Like a candle starved of oxygen, it flickers in hope of discovery. In truth, all personality is primitive until it awakens to the present.  Even then, it still remains a two dimensional perspective of third and fourth dimensional possibilities. The puzzle is, in fact, in his dreams. The soul orchestrates these symbols for him to see what he needs to see. Initially a maze, they become a map toward the exit - to self. Again, in my experience it has been more useful to spend time defining soul, spirit, and compass (heart) as the ego is playing 'catch up' anyway. In this context, the soul is your client's neutral witness or above observer. His feeling reaction to the present moment - the human spirit/spark - it's organ of perception the human heart. This is essential to differentiate as emotions are re-enactments of 'how' the spirit was harmed in the first place....and the organ of perception is the brain. These qualities are actually symbiotic and pushing your client to awaken.  Remember, the ego is conditioned by culture and experience to be moral. Thus, it may reach a level of conscientiousness that will prompt path choices. However, the goal of the spirit's provocation is to 'suffer' your client awake. Shifting from being conscientious to consciousness is a shift from a moral to an ethical view of the self. As you view your client's life 'awake' ...imagine that it is a projection of what is going on internally. What would this mean as a dream? Example: Someone has a dream that they cannot 'pick' a life path and their inner counselor is struggling to help? Possible Interpret: If I don't try, I do not have to fail. If I say I do not know the way, I can live in the cul-de-sac of not knowing. If I stay a child of nondirection, I do not have to be the responsible adult. (These are ego judgments and age appropriate at 23). If I nourish my inner counselor, I will figure it out. What, who, where is this inner counselor? Why is it a distant glimmer. How can I activate it? In fact, how did my spirit get broken? (These are older and more mature questions, ones your client could begin to answer.). The proper encouragement is that you are an outer mirror of an inner possibility. This young man, depending on the wisdom acquired thus far, is a container of infinite possibilities. You can help map those for him as he begins to learn what is not only 'pushing' him but also what is 'pulling.' If it were no-thing...he would not be consulting you. The something that is asking why....this is his path. Meanwhile, what path allows the immediate and age appropriate expression of this confusion? If he has no preferences, any egoic distraction will work. The challenge will be for him to prepare to make a (later) purposeful choice. Maybe he is not ready for this. So, make the purpose distraction until attraction evolves. Encourage that this will unfold as it should...when he matures. His pursuit of this understanding (ideally) may/will become addictive. The spark...once impossible to ignore.  When someone tells me their compass is broken, I tend to look at it....tap on the glass...and say. "Nah...the needle was just stuck. Now, let's see...where IS your true north?"  Your client's compass is pointing toward a wall or impasse. The goal would be to reveal this as illusion. Sorry if I soooo long-winded. Hope some of this is useful.


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