As long as western democracies have Hollywood and Disneyland, everything is fine, right? - Leaked Call - Estonian Foreign Minister and Catherine Ashton

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Hi Aleksandar,

Could you please provide some commentary on this and elaborate on your discussion title?   The audio & images are very disturbing but sitting here in New Jersey in the US, I feel totally too ignorant to understand,  I would really appreciate hearing what you think about it.

I’ve really tried to find a less disturbing Youtube video (its visual part). Near the end they are talking about someone close to the emerging government killing people on their own side. The conclusion is something like “gosh” or “oh, well”. The same Catherine Ashton is something in the European Union, among other things she invites now and then politicians from Serbia and Kosovo to talk about “normalization”. It’s an interesting choice of a word, especially because “normal” in Serbian also means sane, mentally healthy. It’s like Serbs have to accept the “oh, what can I do” attitude toward all those missing people and refugees who have been forced to move to Serbia. They are talking in that video about handwriting. That same handwriting is written across former Yugoslavia. As long as one can add the idea of “foreign investments” to the whole situation, there’s nothing people are supposed to think and care about. It’s interesting that even we, after all those things that have been cooked for Serbs in the same kitchen, use the same differentiation between terrorists and freedom fighters as everyone else. The scandal mentioned in that video is almost totally ignored by the Serbian media (Does it have something to do with some Serbian politicians and their sinful past? Or perhaps with “foreign investments”? Or perhaps with Mrs. Ashton and her “normalization”?).

No matter of political opinion, people in Serbia more or less agree that the golden era was about the same time the Berlin Wall fell down, when a Bosnian Croat (and socialist) Ante Markovic was the prime minister of Yugoslavia. He was soon removed by those who preferred war. There were three sides fighting in Bosnia, even though the official version is that dirty Serbs who don’t shave were attacking innocent people.

The whole story is too disgusting to think about much (it’s better to feel good than bad), but it’s also relatively straightforward in comparison to the challenges with globalization, environmentalism, and such. Someone has designed a system to work this way (in which everyone and everything is replaceable except the system), with a bottleneck eliminating everyone with intellect and conscience. Stuff just happens.

Thank you.  Your perspective is very valuable.  You know my situation and that I can't give time to writing here but  I want you to know I read what you write and get a lot from it.  I even saw Stalker -- and liked it.   I wish I had time to discuss it.  Particularly the discussion of art after the dream sequence. That was my favorite part.  Be well. 

Ideally, what should be said to every child, repeatedly, throughout his or her school life is something like this:
“You are in the process of being indoctrinated. We have not yet evolved a system of education that is not a system of indoctrination.
We are sorry, but it is the best we can do. What you are being taught here is an amalgam of current prejudice and the choices of this particular culture. The slightest look at history will show how impermanent these must be. You are being taught by people who have been able to accommodate themselves to a regime of thought laid down by their predecessors. It is a self-perpetuating system.” – Doris Lessing,

There will be a lot of politically incorrect (Is that the way to describe the opposite side of "politically correct?), but there is some truth in every sentence. The bottom line is: there has been something terribly wrong in the very core (since the first masters and slaves) of "civilization". The first video says some bad things about one nation, but does it make it totally incorrect? Mind you, I am a Serb and people could also say terrible things about my nation (the dark side of history). Here it is: Ukraine will end in global revolt against the banksters! Ukraine Maidan square sniper massacre. Who shot who? Industrial Society and Its Future by Theodore Kaczynski Tools for Conviviality by Ivan Illich



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